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18 PCB007 MAGAZINE I AUGUST 2025 We are looking at building another hangar out at the airport. In 2000, when I built the first hangar, I had to get 21 permits to build an airplane garage on leased land at a public airport, including one from the Department of Fisheries. Today, the process is even worse—there's a requirement to have a consultant onsite looking for artifacts, whatever those might be. It costs $10,000, another hoop for businesses to jump through. This is death by a thousand cuts. Every one of these might sound like a good idea at the time, but after a while, instead of building a better hangar, what are people doing? I think once the pain gets high enough, change happens. I like to think that. What would it be like if we made it easier to build a home, get the permit, start the home, or drill a hole to mine and refine? Keep in mind that I'm not saying throw the environment away, because let's face it, nobody wants to live in filth, whether it's on the ground, in the air, or in the water. It's interesting to see that the per capita income as a measure correlates very strongly with clean environments. I walked through your new PCB facility in Moscow, Idaho, and it is sparkling clean. It is. We start out with something like that because you only get one chance to make a first impression. It adds value. But it's not a line on a spreadsheet; it's a wonderful intangible thing. We have this beautiful, pristine environment. We want to keep it that way and make it even better; we don't want to produce waste. Look in a company's dumpster, see how much stuff they're throwing out, and you'll see how much room there is for improvement. You seem like a big reader of business books. Not necessarily a big reader, but one I like is World Class Manufacturing by Richard J. Schonberger. It made a big difference to us. So, maybe you like to read datasheets? No. (laughs) What did Einstein say? I read little and thought much. I'm at that point right now. These days, I'm selective about the news I read. The other day, I caught myself trying to better figure out the relation- ship between government spending, inflation, and the velocity of money. I'm still not sure I have really internalized it the way I want. You wake up and you start thinking about something like this, and think you need to learn more about it. There's a JIT-ness to it. Ed, thank you for sharing your story with me today. It was a real pleasure spending time with you. Barry, it was wonderful to meet you today. I hope we get a chance to talk again in the future. PCB007