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MAY 2023 I PCB007 MAGAZINE 73 ing director that day, long ago, he invited me to join the printed circuit board team. Of course, I hadn't a clue what he was talking about. I asked the other five chaps, "What's he talking about?" ey didn't know. "He's talking about a printed circuit, but we don't know exactly what that means." Luckily, Paul Eisler joined us, and we were on our way. Paul was with us for about a year, I think. Nolan Johnson: How long did it take before you were making circuit boards for others? e first customer was in the radio trade in the UK. We had to convince them that changing from wires to printed circuits would be bet- ter for them. If they would design the circuitry, then we could manufacture the printed circuit for them. So, we had to go to every customer and more or less convince them all to change from the old-fashioned ways of manufactur- ing to using printed circuit boards. e radio trade was the first to pick up circuit boards; of course, they were very basic single- and dou- ble-sided boards. Johnson: Was it difficult to get your customers to adopt this new idea? Yes, because they are very suspicious of any change. Of course, the printed circuit was something that just came out of the blue. But once they picked it up, then we had lots of competition, as well. So, there were a number of small companies under licensed manufac- turing. Matties: Eventually you started your own facility. Yes, in 1968, I moved to Devon, England, and felt confident enough to start my own manu- facturing company, Graphic Electronics (later changing the name to Graphic PLC, which is still in operation). Matties: Are you doing anything in electronics that we should be aware of now? Not really. I'm getting to the age now… I should have retired a long time ago. Matties: You aren't just interested in electronics, you were also involved in the early days of the music scene in London. Well, you wouldn't believe this, really, but I also had sidelines while I was still doing printed circuits. I got into the music indus- try and my drum tutor was a guy called Jim Marshall, the maker of the now world-famous Marshall amplifiers. We had to more or less push him to develop an amplifier that gave us that very solid base sound. I had my own jazz club at one point. A group would come and practice there. It turned out to be the Rolling Stones! In fact, the drummer, Charlie Watts, lived near me until he passed away two years ago. (I had known Charlie back when we were teenagers.) When I got married, I told my wife I'd give up music. I focused on the electronics industry, and I'm very pleased that I did. I am now, however, involved in mak- ing a film about e Beatles' manager, Brian Epstein. It's called "e Midas Man" and we Rex Rozario's Many Accolades: • Founding member of the Printed Circuit Association, now graded as the Institute of Circuit Technology • Honoree Fellow of the Institute of Circuit Technology • Past Director of the IPC (USA) • Fellow of the Metal Finishing Association • Fellow of the Institute of Directors (UK) • Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts • Past President of the World Electronics Circuits Council • Past Chairman of the Federation of Electronics Institution • Fellow of the Sales and Marketing Institute